GCHQ and MI5 install "Carnivor" at Freeserve and AOL

**Tweety** · **GCHQ and MI5 install "Carnivor" at Freeserve and AOL -** 06-08-2003, 07:22 PM

I would seriously advise NOT using Freeserve or AOL or any related ISP for hacking.

The boxs log ALL traffic and keep logs on Source/Destination IP's and URLS. The three boxs have a direct connection to the new (well semi new) GCHQ data center so they can intercept all your traffic directly.......and all this without a search warrant....

Welcome to the UK....i must remember to thank those stupid terrorists for making is so easy for them to bring in the RIP act...........

I don't know whats more fucked up,,, the terrorists or the government. (ps thats not a question)

BTW if ya want the data sheets on the old version of carnivor let me know. The new version is classified so i haven't got a copy.

**Ben Turpin** · 06-08-2003, 11:02 PM

Well... i'm screwed then

Will need to think up a new approach

**Tweety** · 06-09-2003, 01:25 PM

If anybody gets any more info on this let me know please.....

Tigrou · 06-09-2003, 02:36 PM

Is that for just the UK tweety or all over Europe?

**Tweety** · 02:58 PM

Seems like its happened all over Europe and the USA. Unsure which ISP's have placed the systems in their networks.

I would ask your ISP directly if any law enforcement agency has any equipment connected to the Internet or Mail systems and their policy on releasing information on your browsing or mail use to those agencies.

In the UK they have arrested and sentenced someone based on information gathered off the UK system through "routine monitoring"....thats what really worries me !!!

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

before anyone gets their "high horse" out. Its not what he was doing its how they caught him.........who gives them the right to monitor anything anyone does as a "routine". Seems very dubious to me.......Welcome to the "RIP act" age.

Tigrou · 06-09-2003, 03:41 PM

Well, i've read the article.

Maybe they used a "routine monitoring" but we're talking of paedophilia here!

So, ok, the method is illegal but the content even more!

**Tweety** · 06-09-2003, 04:49 PM

I notice with some interest that cp fakes are now illegal. So all those photos of girlies that look young can land you in prison. Lets see you get out of that one. Shall i send you a picture of someone who looks young.....into prison you go. LOL except i deleted them all and it took 4 days to go through them.

BTW under the law in the UK downloading a picture is classed as making (i.e the same as the sick bastard who took it in the first place) so into prison you go. Even if you browse the site innocently. The very act of viewing the picture on screen is classed as "making" with the same prison stretch.....now do you think its OK for them to be "routinely monitoring" everyone.

Say one of the mods goes to check out a site.......off to prison he goes, with the title of making kiddie porn.........no defence and 10 years on the sex offenders register.....but all i did was look to see if the site was worth joining.....off to prison you go........and its not as if you were being monitored legally. All this is "routine monitoring". No warrant and no court order,,,,,,, just "lets get him today" type of attitude.

And it doesn't just apply to cp....all those sites you hack fall under the computer missuse act 1990.....off to prison with you.
Now with the RIP act this is getting way to risky in the UK.

here's a bit of light reading..........

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1990/Ukpga_19900018_en_1.htm

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/20000023.htm

Tigrou · 06-09-2003, 05:26 PM

Well, now it makes sense. Thanks Tweety for the enlightment.
But it concerned cp.
Will it be that heavy for a casual porn site? When i say casual, i mean non-cp.

As for the links, they will wait tomorrow. I'm too tired to go through all of this.